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	<title>Comments on: New BuddyPress plugin: Invite Anyone</title>
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		<title>By: THATCamp 2010 &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-10364</link>
		<dc:creator>THATCamp 2010 &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 05:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we haven&#8217;t really initiated this discussion among our users. Some conversation began over on Boone Gorges&#8217;s blog, where Boone and I began to hash out these issues in a post that really had little to do with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we haven&#8217;t really initiated this discussion among our users. Some conversation began over on Boone Gorges&#8217;s blog, where Boone and I began to hash out these issues in a post that really had little to do with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Social Networking &#171; Socializing the Network</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-9228</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Social Networking &#171; Socializing the Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 07:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wizzo BuddyPress plugin called Invite Anyone (mk 2) . Not content with this I followed a link to a comment thread from which the topic of &#8216;Friends&#8217; in social networks emerged: &#8220;It seems to me that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wizzo BuddyPress plugin called Invite Anyone (mk 2) . Not content with this I followed a link to a comment thread from which the topic of &#8216;Friends&#8217; in social networks emerged: &#8220;It seems to me that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Boone Gorges</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-6756</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone Gorges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erich73,

Thanks for the kind words. That functionality is next on my list to develop, but I probably won&#039;t get to it for another few weeks. I&#039;ll post a message here and at buddypress.org/forums when I do. Once I&#039;ve got a relatively comprehensive solution for invitation, I may start submitting patches for the core, based on whether the core developers think it&#039;s a smart idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erich73,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words. That functionality is next on my list to develop, but I probably won&#8217;t get to it for another few weeks. I&#8217;ll post a message here and at buddypress.org/forums when I do. Once I&#8217;ve got a relatively comprehensive solution for invitation, I may start submitting patches for the core, based on whether the core developers think it&#8217;s a smart idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich73</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-6751</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Boone,

many thanks for writing this plugin !
Is there also a way for the Group-Admin to invite people from outside ?

Please see this ticket:

http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1498

Thanks again !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Boone,</p>
<p>many thanks for writing this plugin !<br />
Is there also a way for the Group-Admin to invite people from outside ?</p>
<p>Please see this ticket:</p>
<p><a href="http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1498" rel="nofollow">http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1498</a></p>
<p>Thanks again !</p>
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		<title>By: RodeWorks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friends or followers?</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-6296</link>
		<dc:creator>RodeWorks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friends or followers?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plug-ins &#8212; especially interesting for professional networks.  I posed a questions around one of their recent plug-ins, and I repeat it here:  In a professional network do you want to &#8216;friend&#8217; people or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-5908</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I shouldn&#039;t have mentioned &quot;highly unlikely&quot; then! ;)

It&#039;s an interesting change of direction, which in many ways makes sense.

One of our BP users mentioned what the point is in becoming someone&#039;s friend.  Other than saying you can post on your friend&#039;s wire and invite them to join a group (which your plugin above solves), I couldn&#039;t really explain why.

Granted in the current system, it&#039;s possible to make a simple plugin to check if the logged-in user and displayed user are friends, the private aspect of JJJ&#039;s proposal is the key to this new proposition.

At the end of his post, JJJ does mention Twitter&#039;s &quot;list&quot; functionality, which again similar to our discussion of &quot;friend&quot; vs&quot; follower has its own social connotations.  But that&#039;s another topic for another day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I shouldn&#8217;t have mentioned &#8220;highly unlikely&#8221; then! ;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting change of direction, which in many ways makes sense.</p>
<p>One of our BP users mentioned what the point is in becoming someone&#8217;s friend.  Other than saying you can post on your friend&#8217;s wire and invite them to join a group (which your plugin above solves), I couldn&#8217;t really explain why.</p>
<p>Granted in the current system, it&#8217;s possible to make a simple plugin to check if the logged-in user and displayed user are friends, the private aspect of JJJ&#8217;s proposal is the key to this new proposition.</p>
<p>At the end of his post, JJJ does mention Twitter&#8217;s &#8220;list&#8221; functionality, which again similar to our discussion of &#8220;friend&#8221; vs&#8221; follower has its own social connotations.  But that&#8217;s another topic for another day!</p>
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		<title>By: Boone Gorges</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-5900</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone Gorges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably coincidental, but the topic of reworking the behind-the-scenes functioning of BuddyPress&#039;s friend component has just come up in the developer discussion: http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1493. On this proposal, the friends component would be eliminated and its functionality replicated by a special group. While this particular move wouldn&#039;t really change the mutual nature of friending in BP (since the groups would presumably be private, meaning that you&#039;d have to get permission from the group admin - the potential &quot;friend&quot; - to join), it would, as JJJ mentions near the end of his post, allow for a lower tier of connection in BP akin to Twitter followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably coincidental, but the topic of reworking the behind-the-scenes functioning of BuddyPress&#8217;s friend component has just come up in the developer discussion: <a href="http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1493" rel="nofollow">http://trac.buddypress.org/ticket/1493</a>. On this proposal, the friends component would be eliminated and its functionality replicated by a special group. While this particular move wouldn&#8217;t really change the mutual nature of friending in BP (since the groups would presumably be private, meaning that you&#8217;d have to get permission from the group admin &#8211; the potential &#8220;friend&#8221; &#8211; to join), it would, as JJJ mentions near the end of his post, allow for a lower tier of connection in BP akin to Twitter followers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-5867</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Boone,

I didn&#039;t really think of the consequences from the latter part of your comment there.

I guess it depends what type of network you&#039;re building.

If it&#039;s more social (and directed at a younger audience), then the issues you listed might arise.  If it&#039;s professional, I doubt the whole &quot;Why isn&#039;t so-and-so following me back&quot; thing will popup ;)

---

You&#039;re also right about Jeff&#039;s privacy component.  Switching to a Twitter-like model will affect the BP core and existing plugins.

Anyway, it&#039;s highly unlikely that BP will be moving towards the Twitter model!

I just have a problem with the word &quot;Friend&quot;; I guess &quot;Friend&quot; is shorter and better than &quot;Mutual Acquaintance&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Boone,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t really think of the consequences from the latter part of your comment there.</p>
<p>I guess it depends what type of network you&#8217;re building.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s more social (and directed at a younger audience), then the issues you listed might arise.  If it&#8217;s professional, I doubt the whole &#8220;Why isn&#8217;t so-and-so following me back&#8221; thing will popup ;)</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right about Jeff&#8217;s privacy component.  Switching to a Twitter-like model will affect the BP core and existing plugins.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s highly unlikely that BP will be moving towards the Twitter model!</p>
<p>I just have a problem with the word &#8220;Friend&#8221;; I guess &#8220;Friend&#8221; is shorter and better than &#8220;Mutual Acquaintance&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Boone Gorges</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-5828</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone Gorges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what to think about this. From a technical point of view, the following relation might cause problems with future iterations of BP. I&#039;m thinking especially of Jeff Sayre&#039;s Privacy component. Obviously the dynamics of privacy and sharing change when you can have unidirectional &quot;following&quot; relationships.

It seems overly simplistic to claim that the possibility of asymmetric relationships &quot;encourages fandom&quot;, as Matt puts it. Twitter is a case in point. Just because Twitter is set up such that the only relationships that are technically relevant in the system are asymmetric, it doesn&#039;t follow that the Twitter platform encourages fandom rather than what you might call a more genuine connection. Bidirectional friendships emerge from and supervene on unidirectional relationships without there being a formal structure to describe them. I see this kind of emergence as a strength of the system, as relationships that arise without a formal structure underlying them are on balance more likely to be worthwhile (I would think, anyway).

From a practical point of view, though, Matt&#039;s right that there are social issues that arise in spaces like Twitter that don&#039;t in spaces like Facebook or BuddyPress. Hurt feelings might be one of them, though I&#039;m skeptical that such consequences are really all that dire, all so-and-so-didn&#039;t-follow-me-back-on-Twitter bitching aside. I&#039;m more interested in what might happen (both good and bad) as members of a professional community start to experience the arc exemplified by the Twitter user lifecycle: feeling uncomfortable about the idea of following people you don&#039;t know, feeling stalked when other start following you, feeling like you have to follow people back, feeling proud when you get certain kinds of followers, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to think about this. From a technical point of view, the following relation might cause problems with future iterations of BP. I&#8217;m thinking especially of Jeff Sayre&#8217;s Privacy component. Obviously the dynamics of privacy and sharing change when you can have unidirectional &#8220;following&#8221; relationships.</p>
<p>It seems overly simplistic to claim that the possibility of asymmetric relationships &#8220;encourages fandom&#8221;, as Matt puts it. Twitter is a case in point. Just because Twitter is set up such that the only relationships that are technically relevant in the system are asymmetric, it doesn&#8217;t follow that the Twitter platform encourages fandom rather than what you might call a more genuine connection. Bidirectional friendships emerge from and supervene on unidirectional relationships without there being a formal structure to describe them. I see this kind of emergence as a strength of the system, as relationships that arise without a formal structure underlying them are on balance more likely to be worthwhile (I would think, anyway).</p>
<p>From a practical point of view, though, Matt&#8217;s right that there are social issues that arise in spaces like Twitter that don&#8217;t in spaces like Facebook or BuddyPress. Hurt feelings might be one of them, though I&#8217;m skeptical that such consequences are really all that dire, all so-and-so-didn&#8217;t-follow-me-back-on-Twitter bitching aside. I&#8217;m more interested in what might happen (both good and bad) as members of a professional community start to experience the arc exemplified by the Twitter user lifecycle: feeling uncomfortable about the idea of following people you don&#8217;t know, feeling stalked when other start following you, feeling like you have to follow people back, feeling proud when you get certain kinds of followers, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/12/new-buddypress-plugin-invite-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-5822</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about the &quot;friends&quot; issue as well.

I actually like the terminology Twitter uses, after all on Facebook I know some of the people, but if I really thought about it, I wouldn&#039;t consider them my &quot;friend&quot; per se.

On Twitter, if you&#039;re &quot;following&quot; someone, you&#039;re not a fan as well, you&#039;re just interested in what the person is up to, which is why I love how they use the term &quot;follower&quot;.  It doesn&#039;t create any connotations or anything, it is what it is.  Another reason why terminology is important when developing a product or service!

I hope BuddyPress adopts a similar approach to Twitter&#039;s in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about the &#8220;friends&#8221; issue as well.</p>
<p>I actually like the terminology Twitter uses, after all on Facebook I know some of the people, but if I really thought about it, I wouldn&#8217;t consider them my &#8220;friend&#8221; per se.</p>
<p>On Twitter, if you&#8217;re &#8220;following&#8221; someone, you&#8217;re not a fan as well, you&#8217;re just interested in what the person is up to, which is why I love how they use the term &#8220;follower&#8221;.  It doesn&#8217;t create any connotations or anything, it is what it is.  Another reason why terminology is important when developing a product or service!</p>
<p>I hope BuddyPress adopts a similar approach to Twitter&#8217;s in the future.</p>
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