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	<title>Comments on: On the communal v. the individual student voice</title>
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		<title>By: Boone</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/on-the-communal-v-the-individual-student-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-3023</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephen - Thanks a lot for linking to that blog post. It reminds me of something else I&#039;ve been meaning to write about, but I didn&#039;t see the connection until reading your comment. Will blog about it later this week.

@John - This is complicated stuff. I guess the reason why putting someone inside a box is a violation of their agency is because it reduces the number of options that would otherwise be available to them. But there are implicit as well as explicit ways of doing this. That is, the trade-off for settling for (for example) wordpress.com might be an extra few hours of classtime to spend on an important academic point. The possession of that bit of academic knowledge, in turn, opens new choices to the student: the ability to read things he might not otherwise have been able to read, the ability to have new kinds of conversations, etc. Anytime we, as beings of finite attention and lifespan, choose to do one thing, it means &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; doing some other things. What this means for teachers is that we&#039;re charged with making smart decisions about which kinds of agency are most important to imbue and protect in our students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen &#8211; Thanks a lot for linking to that blog post. It reminds me of something else I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about, but I didn&#8217;t see the connection until reading your comment. Will blog about it later this week.</p>
<p>@John &#8211; This is complicated stuff. I guess the reason why putting someone inside a box is a violation of their agency is because it reduces the number of options that would otherwise be available to them. But there are implicit as well as explicit ways of doing this. That is, the trade-off for settling for (for example) wordpress.com might be an extra few hours of classtime to spend on an important academic point. The possession of that bit of academic knowledge, in turn, opens new choices to the student: the ability to read things he might not otherwise have been able to read, the ability to have new kinds of conversations, etc. Anytime we, as beings of finite attention and lifespan, choose to do one thing, it means <em>not</em> doing some other things. What this means for teachers is that we&#8217;re charged with making smart decisions about which kinds of agency are most important to imbue and protect in our students.</p>
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		<title>By: WPMu Development for Education at bavatuesdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>WPMu Development for Education at bavatuesdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And what&#8217;s more, I&#8217;m a contributor, so what the hell else could you want? (Although Boone Borges&#8217;s blog has been on total fire, which means I better get my game face on  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And what&#8217;s more, I&#8217;m a contributor, so what the hell else could you want? (Although Boone Borges&#8217;s blog has been on total fire, which means I better get my game face on  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/on-the-communal-v-the-individual-student-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-3020</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee you&#039;ve done a nice job of explaining this, Boone! Kudos! 

Here&#039;s a thought: when I heard Gardner championing the cPanel sysadmin interface for individual students, I balked... I thought, dammit, they ought to be learning Unix -- cPanel just being a GUI abstracting the stuff that Unix is actually doing.

But as you write here, of course that idea is a non-starter. It&#039;s clearly not worth it to drop down to that lower level of abstraction in order to give students control of their own domains.

But hold on a moment longer, and recall that every time we close up a &quot;black box&quot; (like cPanel) we lose political agency. The success of Unix (speaking generically) and FLOSS more generally is precisely because they&#039;re not black-boxed. They&#039;re open through-and-through. So we need to at least be mindful of where we&#039;re prepared to settle for a black-boxed solution in order to give learners the means to achieve some end.

Seems to me THAT tension is truly at the heart of Open Education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee you&#8217;ve done a nice job of explaining this, Boone! Kudos! </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought: when I heard Gardner championing the cPanel sysadmin interface for individual students, I balked&#8230; I thought, dammit, they ought to be learning Unix &#8212; cPanel just being a GUI abstracting the stuff that Unix is actually doing.</p>
<p>But as you write here, of course that idea is a non-starter. It&#8217;s clearly not worth it to drop down to that lower level of abstraction in order to give students control of their own domains.</p>
<p>But hold on a moment longer, and recall that every time we close up a &#8220;black box&#8221; (like cPanel) we lose political agency. The success of Unix (speaking generically) and FLOSS more generally is precisely because they&#8217;re not black-boxed. They&#8217;re open through-and-through. So we need to at least be mindful of where we&#8217;re prepared to settle for a black-boxed solution in order to give learners the means to achieve some end.</p>
<p>Seems to me THAT tension is truly at the heart of Open Education.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Francoeur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Francoeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the technology is going to be taking us to a place where individual publishing streams that we selectively allow access to are the main way we communicate online. Jon Udell and Doug Purdy have had some &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/03/06/hosted-lifebits-meets-infobus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interesting exchanges over visions of &quot;hosted lifebits&quot; and &quot;infobuses&quot;&lt;/a&gt; that seems relevant to the discussion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the technology is going to be taking us to a place where individual publishing streams that we selectively allow access to are the main way we communicate online. Jon Udell and Doug Purdy have had some <a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/03/06/hosted-lifebits-meets-infobus/" rel="nofollow">interesting exchanges over visions of &#8220;hosted lifebits&#8221; and &#8220;infobuses&#8221;</a> that seems relevant to the discussion here.</p>
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		<title>By: Re. Communal vs Individual Voice &#124; Flexknowlogy - Jared Stein on Education and Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Re. Communal vs Individual Voice &#124; Flexknowlogy - Jared Stein on Education and Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] question about openness that has been itching at my mind ever since I walked out of Open Ed 2009: Is there a tension between individual vs communal voice (i.e. creation)? And while this started out as a comment on his blog post, I figured itI didn&#8217;t pay some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] question about openness that has been itching at my mind ever since I walked out of Open Ed 2009: Is there a tension between individual vs communal voice (i.e. creation)? And while this started out as a comment on his blog post, I figured itI didn&#8217;t pay some [...]</p>
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