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		<title>By: &#8220;And they&#8217;re off&#8230;&#8221;: Thoughts on the unveiling of the social media-based class &#171; The History Channel This Is Not&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-3033</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;And they&#8217;re off&#8230;&#8221;: Thoughts on the unveiling of the social media-based class &#171; The History Channel This Is Not&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] add the bundles to their Google Reader accounts, established the blogging groups (an idea for which Boone Gorges deserves much credit) for the first quarter, and had students begin reading and giving one another feedback via [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Boone</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2996</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ve just been lucky, but in my experience students are very quick to leave their groups and start reading and commenting on other blogs. There are a couple reasons. One is that they are (or become) friends with some of their classmates who are outside of the group, which makes them more likely to read the blogs of those students. Another is the digests, which tends to draw at least a little bit of the reading and commenting attention to blogs outside of a given group. Finally, on a more practical level, I think that sometimes the students who post their entries earlier than their groupmates also want to get their comments out of the way, so they have to graze around the other blogs in order to find classmates who have new entries available for comments.

What has always struck me as interesting is that students almost never comment on the blogs from different sections, even though the blog assignments and curriculum are nearly exactly alike. This suggests that there is a real social comfort forged in the classroom that translates to their online behavior.

I just did a spot check that might be of interest. On one randomly chosen blog, the most recent ten comments broke down like this: two were from me, one was from the author, three were from groupmates, and the other four were from classmates outside of the author&#039;s group. By the end of the semester, this is pretty representative of the class.

As for keeping their blogs? Most of the students in my Intro to Ethics classes are taking it as a general education requirement (typically for a business degree), and I get the sense that they don&#039;t particularly want to associate themselves with their philosophy assignments. (I can&#039;t imagine why not.) Once or twice in the past few years a student has continued using the space to blog after the term, something I accidentally discovered because I was still subscribed to the feed. In those instances, I have unsubscribed because the new use of the blog wasn&#039;t particularly interesting to me, and it felt a little bit like creepy eavesdropping to read about former students&#039; personal exploits. Were the class in a discipline more closely related to their personal or academic interests, I wonder if more students would continue to use the sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ve just been lucky, but in my experience students are very quick to leave their groups and start reading and commenting on other blogs. There are a couple reasons. One is that they are (or become) friends with some of their classmates who are outside of the group, which makes them more likely to read the blogs of those students. Another is the digests, which tends to draw at least a little bit of the reading and commenting attention to blogs outside of a given group. Finally, on a more practical level, I think that sometimes the students who post their entries earlier than their groupmates also want to get their comments out of the way, so they have to graze around the other blogs in order to find classmates who have new entries available for comments.</p>
<p>What has always struck me as interesting is that students almost never comment on the blogs from different sections, even though the blog assignments and curriculum are nearly exactly alike. This suggests that there is a real social comfort forged in the classroom that translates to their online behavior.</p>
<p>I just did a spot check that might be of interest. On one randomly chosen blog, the most recent ten comments broke down like this: two were from me, one was from the author, three were from groupmates, and the other four were from classmates outside of the author&#8217;s group. By the end of the semester, this is pretty representative of the class.</p>
<p>As for keeping their blogs? Most of the students in my Intro to Ethics classes are taking it as a general education requirement (typically for a business degree), and I get the sense that they don&#8217;t particularly want to associate themselves with their philosophy assignments. (I can&#8217;t imagine why not.) Once or twice in the past few years a student has continued using the space to blog after the term, something I accidentally discovered because I was still subscribed to the feed. In those instances, I have unsubscribed because the new use of the blog wasn&#8217;t particularly interesting to me, and it felt a little bit like creepy eavesdropping to read about former students&#8217; personal exploits. Were the class in a discipline more closely related to their personal or academic interests, I wonder if more students would continue to use the sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Kogan</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2994</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points and questions you raise here, Mark. I also was struck by the practical benefits that dividing the class up into groups creates. 

From my own perspective, I have the same students for an entire year, which is broken into four marking periods. My plan is to rotate the groups at the start of each new marking period, thereby creating an opportunity for students to read others&#039; writing and get a sense of different styles, approaches, etc. I suppose something similar could happen at the mid-point of a semester on the university calendar.

Of course students are always free to read the blogs of those outside their groups, but I think you raise the good point that this type of organic blog-browsing might not take place on the students&#039; own volition. Some type of stick or carrot needs to be involved. At least by rotating groups I know students will see a variety of writing.

As for the life-long writing hopes, as I mention in my post about the pros and cons of different blogging structures, I see real value in the blog as a launching pad for a student&#039;s interest in writing, though I too have similar doubts about whether or not this will actually happen. From the secondary school side of things, I think the blog can serve as a form of digital portfolio for the students who can then use it as an integral part of their college admissions file. While many high school students might blog, hopefully having them write about academic subject matter might shift the content away from angst-ridden navel-gazing (I&#039;m being somewhat hyperbolic here; not all teenagers, or their writing styles, fall into this category) and toward more outwardly analytical writing. Perhaps the carrot of &quot;distinctiveness&quot; on one&#039;s college application will prompt some of these students to keep blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points and questions you raise here, Mark. I also was struck by the practical benefits that dividing the class up into groups creates. </p>
<p>From my own perspective, I have the same students for an entire year, which is broken into four marking periods. My plan is to rotate the groups at the start of each new marking period, thereby creating an opportunity for students to read others&#8217; writing and get a sense of different styles, approaches, etc. I suppose something similar could happen at the mid-point of a semester on the university calendar.</p>
<p>Of course students are always free to read the blogs of those outside their groups, but I think you raise the good point that this type of organic blog-browsing might not take place on the students&#8217; own volition. Some type of stick or carrot needs to be involved. At least by rotating groups I know students will see a variety of writing.</p>
<p>As for the life-long writing hopes, as I mention in my post about the pros and cons of different blogging structures, I see real value in the blog as a launching pad for a student&#8217;s interest in writing, though I too have similar doubts about whether or not this will actually happen. From the secondary school side of things, I think the blog can serve as a form of digital portfolio for the students who can then use it as an integral part of their college admissions file. While many high school students might blog, hopefully having them write about academic subject matter might shift the content away from angst-ridden navel-gazing (I&#8217;m being somewhat hyperbolic here; not all teenagers, or their writing styles, fall into this category) and toward more outwardly analytical writing. Perhaps the carrot of &#8220;distinctiveness&#8221; on one&#8217;s college application will prompt some of these students to keep blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sample</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Sample</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ongoing conversation about teaching and blogging, spread out over four or five sites, has been excellent! I&#039;m looking forward to trying out some of the new ideas I&#039;ve come across.

Dividing the class into reading groups is an innovative approach and solves the manageability problem. Even better, groups would make blogging more intimate, fostering one value I mentioned in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.samplereality.com/2009/08/14/pedagogy-and-the-class-blog/#comment-3094&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a comment to Nate&lt;/a&gt;, a student&#039;s &lt;em&gt;sense of audience&lt;/em&gt;. Is there ever any cross-pollination between the groups, i.e. do any students ever end up reading or commenting upon other group&#039;s posts, totally on their own? Also, I wonder if you have a sense of whether students carry on with their own blogs after the semester is over? I like to think of blogging as a way to turn students into lifelong writers, but I&#039;m not sure, in practical terms, whether this is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ongoing conversation about teaching and blogging, spread out over four or five sites, has been excellent! I&#8217;m looking forward to trying out some of the new ideas I&#8217;ve come across.</p>
<p>Dividing the class into reading groups is an innovative approach and solves the manageability problem. Even better, groups would make blogging more intimate, fostering one value I mentioned in <a href="http://www.samplereality.com/2009/08/14/pedagogy-and-the-class-blog/#comment-3094" rel="nofollow">a comment to Nate</a>, a student&#8217;s <em>sense of audience</em>. Is there ever any cross-pollination between the groups, i.e. do any students ever end up reading or commenting upon other group&#8217;s posts, totally on their own? Also, I wonder if you have a sense of whether students carry on with their own blogs after the semester is over? I like to think of blogging as a way to turn students into lifelong writers, but I&#8217;m not sure, in practical terms, whether this is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Boone</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andre - Nice idea. As I mention above, students&#039; networks frequently grow organically, but your method would be a great way of giving them a nudge.

@Nate - Thanks for stopping by. Yes, it was your comment (among others) on Mark&#039;s blog that made me think of the post, but I hadn&#039;t seen your response until now. The way you&#039;ve analyzed the pros and cons of the two methods is extremely helpful. I&#039;ll be watching to see how your experiments work out - I&#039;m especially interested in how the considerations that are germane for high school students vs. college students change your strategies. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andre &#8211; Nice idea. As I mention above, students&#8217; networks frequently grow organically, but your method would be a great way of giving them a nudge.</p>
<p>@Nate &#8211; Thanks for stopping by. Yes, it was your comment (among others) on Mark&#8217;s blog that made me think of the post, but I hadn&#8217;t seen your response until now. The way you&#8217;ve analyzed the pros and cons of the two methods is extremely helpful. I&#8217;ll be watching to see how your experiments work out &#8211; I&#8217;m especially interested in how the considerations that are germane for high school students vs. college students change your strategies. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Kogan</title>
		<link>http://teleogistic.net/2009/08/hub-and-spoke-blogging-with-lots-of-students/comment-page-1/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this very practical and focused post on in-class hub-and spoke blogging, Boone. If you came across my comment in Mark Sample&#039;s blog, perhaps you also read my post considering the pros and cons of hub-and-spoke vs. central class blog: http://wp.me/pxAMb-2o.

I&#039;m starting school next week and am figuring out precisely how to roll out my class blog structure and what resources we&#039;ll use. I teach on the high school level and will be using this structure with ~35 students, so it&#039;ll be busy, but I&#039;ll also see the students every day, which will allow for more feedback, tech troubleshooting, or perhaps even dedicating class time to feedback and blog synthesis. I had already planned to follow through with much of what you suggest -- everyone using Wordpress and everyone using Google Reader as the RSS reader. I do, however, like the groups for blogging response and synthesis as this should, as you say, help students focus on both audience and material to read, process, and comment on.

Thanks again for your insights and suggestions. If I find myself with any free time I&#039;ll hopefully post a follow-up about how the progress is going and how high school students take to the blogging format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this very practical and focused post on in-class hub-and spoke blogging, Boone. If you came across my comment in Mark Sample&#8217;s blog, perhaps you also read my post considering the pros and cons of hub-and-spoke vs. central class blog: <a href="http://wp.me/pxAMb-2o" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pxAMb-2o</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting school next week and am figuring out precisely how to roll out my class blog structure and what resources we&#8217;ll use. I teach on the high school level and will be using this structure with ~35 students, so it&#8217;ll be busy, but I&#8217;ll also see the students every day, which will allow for more feedback, tech troubleshooting, or perhaps even dedicating class time to feedback and blog synthesis. I had already planned to follow through with much of what you suggest &#8212; everyone using Wordpress and everyone using Google Reader as the RSS reader. I do, however, like the groups for blogging response and synthesis as this should, as you say, help students focus on both audience and material to read, process, and comment on.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your insights and suggestions. If I find myself with any free time I&#8217;ll hopefully post a follow-up about how the progress is going and how high school students take to the blogging format.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre malan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre malan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the grouping idea a lot. It makes complete sense. One thing that I think would be neat is to combine groups at a later date. So for the first half of class have groups of 7 and the second half have groups of 14 (to simulate a growing network).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the grouping idea a lot. It makes complete sense. One thing that I think would be neat is to combine groups at a later date. So for the first half of class have groups of 7 and the second half have groups of 14 (to simulate a growing network).</p>
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